I was always (even when in) shocked at the plagarism of Newton's work in the "Daniel" book. I recall a discussion after I left with SIL that the "Daniel" book was anything but an original, inspired work of the FDS and that they should have credited Newton with its contents. She went back to her elders with her doubts and said that the elders told her that Newton may well have been of the annointed and therfore part of the continuing FDS....wonder what the reply would be now given their was no FDS until a drunk and his proles assumed the role in 1919???
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Why Did the Watchtower Use Sir Isaac Newton's End Time Dates For 1914 and 2040ish?
by RottenRiley inyou all remember which watchtower quoted the life of sir isaac newton "super phd in math, maybe the greatest math mind ever?
were they greasing their members to accept 2040s as a possible end of the "over-lapping generation"?.
isaac newton came up with his own formula for providing 1914, many centuries before the bible students, so how come the watchtower has tried to take the credit away from the "past men of fame"?.
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Death threats and Hate mail from Jehovah's Witnesses
by Watchtower-Free inare jws becoming radicalized?.
exposing hypocritical jehovah's witnesses.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/178644278990236/.
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me not whent to youkneeversetee hin 1975 whent preecing sted, knowe knead two dheal with bade speeling and grhamer. u 2?
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Bizarre comment about jw.org at SAD
by sir82 inrecently attended a sad.. bethel speaker was gushing about the wt's embrace of new technology, in the part of his talk warning about "apostate" web sites.. a loose summary of his comments:.
"and the brothers at headquarters have made it very safe for you to go to our website.
in fact, the brothers talked to the folks at google, and they made a special arrangement so that when you type in 'j w period' into the google search engine, it automatically shows you the jw.org website.
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Simon Morley
A deal with Google? Utter crap!!. As already mentioned putting the "." in simply narrows the search engine - returns are only those that match the input, which in this case is "JW.". This is yet another control ploy to keep any internet experience narrowed and limited - the nimnul from bethel is playing a game 'we went to all this bother and work to help you all out so please do not put anything other than JW. into your search engine"
Can you see this going over well in the FS? "please only type in JW. as there are other sites that are are not good for you"
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hey cantleave: When did you finally notice a smile returned to your face? I ask as my family said that while I was in I was generally morose, miserbale and at times horribly uncaring. Getting out was the best thing - spiritually and physically. For one, I too enjoy a nice goatee, but have also shed almost 60lbs (since 2010 when we faded) as I stopped medicating myself with food to combat the feelings of a lack of selfworth, fighting horribly cruel people in the congrgratation who expect perfection and the constant stress of being an elder. I have a much better relationship with God.
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Olympic Medals in the WT Land
by Quarterback ingold: special pioneering.
silver: regular pioneering.
bronze: auxiliary pioneering.
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Circuit Gladhanding:
Gold: > $300
Silver: >$200 < $300
Bronze: < $200
To qualify in your heat: > $50
Disqualification: Serving warm hypergluten white bread with a creamy peanut sauce to the alergy riddled CO wifey at lunch.
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Moustaches vs. beards - one of the contributing factors to losing my cognitive dissonace
by Pacopoolio inas a little background - i was born-in to being a witness, back in '79, in detroit, in mostly black and poor congregations.
baptized when 10-ish, stayed around, was on the fast track to ms, but faded when i moved out at 24ish.. there was a combination of a few things that got me on the road to "freedom" from the cognitive dissonance that kept me "in the truth" for so long.
the main thing was, being an artist and studying marketing, my thinking was patterned to constantly question if i was doing something "correctly," as constant improvement and questioning is what facilitates artistic and mental growth.
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It is still strange to me that the WT illustrations depict all heavenly beings as having beards. I guess you just have to wait till you get to heaven...:)
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No more circuit assemblies
by justmeok ini heard from a reliable source that there will be no more 2 day assemblies, but instead 2 one days each year.
anyone heard this yet?
supposed to start new service year.
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I thought that the matra was that JW follow/mirror OT events. Case in point: Fall of Jericho = Great Tribulation, so on the 7th day they march 7 times not once. So not much speeding up if you have less and less meetings. It would be similar to asking the Jericho marchers to only go 1/4 around and then march back on the last day - rather odd.
The GB have the same capacity for logic as polititians. Polititians think that economic stimulus is through tax cuts to increase spending, whereas tax cuts simply increase saving. In similar fashion the dubs simply take that saved time and not spend it on FS, study or anything related spirtually rather they save it for some other more enjoyable pursuit such as putting their feet up at home.
I also suspect that the average dub is simply not giving the $$$ at the SAD/CA like they might of years ago, thus the GB is finding they are a loosing proposition. When things don't make you money, bail and bail fast - 1 day circuit assemblies make sense when you look to cut costs. Watch for off loading of those Assembly Halls to increase and the renting of the local Holiday Inn for a few hundred.
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Noah - the Movie
by Simon Morley inwent to the movie theatre over the weekend to take in jack ryan (not bad) and saw the trailer for "noah" (russell crowe and a solid cast) whats the bet the dubs will be given a rule encouraged to examine their own consciences when attending this movie.
from what i hear its fairly true to the genesis account, but hey its hollywood with cgi at their disposal.. .
my guess is they will not be allowed to go until the gb 2.0 attend a screening at loews cineplex, grab some popcorn and pop and give it their blessing..
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Went to the movie theatre over the weekend to take in Jack Ryan (not bad) and saw the trailer for "Noah" (Russell Crowe and a solid cast) whats the bet the dubs will be given a rule encouraged to examine their own consciences when attending this movie. From what I hear its fairly true to the Genesis account, but hey its Hollywood with CGI at their disposal.
My guess is they will not be allowed to go until the GB 2.0 attend a screening at Loews Cineplex, grab some popcorn and pop and give it their blessing.
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The Gall & Hypocrisy!!
by Simon Morley injust got a call from my daughter that she got word that the jw honeywagon (literature stand) has set up in the university she teaches at.
one (and there are many) of the reasons we left was due to the stance on higher education, she was persecuted by the elders for attending the very university they are now set up in.
my daughter eventually got a masters degree overseas and now teaches at the same unversity, is self sufficent and will not have to eke out some pittance of a living while fighting a very delbilitating health condition.
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Hey all: Sorry for the delay in responding but this has taken on a bigger life of its own thanks to my daughter.
So here is what happened yesterday: By the time she got herself organized and back to her university it was mid-afternoon. Here is best I can relay the discussion between here and the JW woman that seems to be the organizer:
D: Hi, what are you doing?
JW: We are sharing some bible information
D: Why here?
JW So we can reach people
D: No you don’t understand why here?
JW: ??
D: you don’t support or agree with higher education yet here you are in a place of higher education, is that not a bit odd and hypocritical??
JW: We are not against higher education-----
D: (Cutting her off) Don’t lie, you are and the GB and WT repeatedly states it is not for Christians
JW: Well I have a university degree in philosophy
D: did you get that before or after becoming a witness?
JW: before
D: Could you freely get a degree in philosophy now without guilt and pressure?
JW: well….
D: You should not be here and you should be clearly telling these people (pointing to the gathering crowd) what you think of them for attending this university, seeking a higher education, seeking their own glory as you have stated and that a degree is not really necessary today????
That was it, but she was so incensed that she had to leave. Anyway, she has been in contact with the appropriate department and they are going to look into to it and she has contacted the local paper who are interested in doing a story – they had no idea JW’s were against higher education. Will keep you posted.
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The Gall & Hypocrisy!!
by Simon Morley injust got a call from my daughter that she got word that the jw honeywagon (literature stand) has set up in the university she teaches at.
one (and there are many) of the reasons we left was due to the stance on higher education, she was persecuted by the elders for attending the very university they are now set up in.
my daughter eventually got a masters degree overseas and now teaches at the same unversity, is self sufficent and will not have to eke out some pittance of a living while fighting a very delbilitating health condition.
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Simon Morley
DATA-DOG: We did that, they were suprised to say the east....pointed them to Google JW, Higher Education and see for themsleves. they are also going to talke to the "church minister' that contacted them.